kit
If you are interest I introduce Prtocab to french modellers on the Loco revue discussion group here :
http://forum.e-train.fr/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=89357
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Protocab
Excellent write up, 'Kit', and important for future developments of Protocab to spread the word!
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kit
I hope it will help you to go ahead!
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Rich Archer
Well done Kit. Unfortunately, ever since downloading Windows X my computer can't translate web sites. You've got a lot of replies from lots of different people. Excellent, the more Protocab is promoted the more likely it is their great new products will become available. Keep up the good work.
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Peter K
Rich Archer wrote:
Well done Kit. Unfortunately, ever since downloading Windows X my computer can't translate web sites. You've got a lot of replies from lots of different people. Excellent, the more Protocab is promoted the more likely it is their great new products will become available. Keep up the good work.


Try google chrome, albeit a translation into Google English instead.
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kit
Thanks for your comments. 
Yes Rich, the more we speak about, the more people will change their mind. In fact I do the Protocab promotion in two times :

- first time I explain, in another thread that was open by another member about RC trains why I want to test Protocab. 
The result was exactly what I was waiting for. A lot of insults and people who want to put my head on a pick (a old french tradition! ðŸ˜…). They don't want to ear what I have to say and they perfectly know how Protocab doesn't work ... even if they never try it or see it! ðŸ˜
But this help me to know what counter arguments they have. And they have nothing very interesting and everybody can see that.

-second time it's what you see. I open a thread only dedicaced to BOB train and I introduce what I do and how I play with BOB train ... and, of course, some people begin to ask themself some questions ... and they can see what I do and of course the money and time spend to creat my Protocab Loco is know refund by the construction of the layout : less time, less money, bettter results ... and the silence of the opponents of course! ðŸ˜‰

Best regards!
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Peter K wrote:


Try google chrome, albeit a translation into Google English instead.

I had a party of German people over here last month, and Google Translate astounded them as to the fluency of my German!
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kit wrote:
Thanks for your comments. 
Yes Rich, the more we speak about, the more people will change their mind. In fact I do the Protocab promotion in two times :

- first time I explain, in another thread that was open by another member about RC trains why I want to test Protocab. 
The result was exactly what I was waiting for. A lot of insults and people who want to put my head on a pick (a old french tradition! Ã°Å¸Ëœâ€¦). They don't want to ear what I have to say and they perfectly know how Protocab doesn't work ... even if they never try it or see it! Ã°Å¸ËœÂ
But this help me to know what counter arguments they have. And they have nothing very interesting and everybody can see that.

-second time it's what you see. I open a thread only dedicaced to BOB train and I introduce what I do and how I play with BOB train ... and, of course, some people begin to ask themself some questions ... and they can see what I do and of course the money and time spend to creat my Protocab Loco is know refund by the construction of the layout : less time, less money, bettter results ... and the silence of the opponents of course! Ã°Å¸Ëœâ€°

Best regards!


Hi again Kit...
Your support for Protocab, along with many other Owners, is very much appreciated and vindicates the seven years of development we put into the Pilot Series. I am now speaking as a modeller rather than the Director of Acc+Ess in saying that the experience I had over sixty plus years of model railways, and the frustrations of track based current collection led me to propose a better way. However, until very recently, the size of the components that can be fitted into a small locomotive, especially a battery that provide a reasonable amount of charge for a reasonable length of running time, has been limited. It is only the explosive growth of smartphones and other battery powered devices in the 1990s (realistically) and after that has enabled the massive amount of R&D, manufacturing plant and production stock to be made available at a much lower price point than, say, the early 2000s. It is exactly the same with Protocab. Although we have been able to bring the technical solution to you (and plans for very much more), we are limited in the price we can achieve, because we cannot yet attract the sort of volume discounts which will bring the unit price down significantly, at the same time providing us with the margins we need to develop future products. This is why your support is vital for all of us who see Protocab as the way forward, 'the future of model railways' (a phrase we have heard from many modellers, Owners and others).
Of course there will be resistance to change, look at the time it took for DCC to become established. We know that the average age of railway modellers is higher than, say, the computer gaming market. We also know that modellers have made significant investments in other forms of control and unless there are compelling reasons to change, will stay with what they know.
I think it is important that we, as modellers and as Protocab Owners, demonstrate not the Protocab system per se, but our satisfaction with the new modelling experience and let the modellers who do not as yet enjoy that satisfaction discover it for themselves. For my part, I am continuing to develop 'Tregorran', an O gauge model layout based on a Cornish fishing village and branch line and to be able to take it to exhibitions in the UK and elsewhere. The purpose is not to trumpet Protocab (which inevitably must be the implication) but to demonstrate the satisfaction I get daily from powering up the little Minerva Pannier Tank, pressing the SIMUL button and actually driving the loco as I would the real thing, applying the brake just enough to bring it to a gentle stop, and with not a single delay as it negotiates complex trackwork (which I haven't needed to clean) without any hesitation at all. There is no blower valve or injector, no water gauge or steam pressure gauge on my driving cab, but the Protocab system has been designed for us to be able to add these and many other 'fun' features with little difficulty, should the demand be there.
The Pilot Series is only the beginning. Whether we get past it will depend on whether other modellers choose to follow our path.

Tony Hagon
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kit
Thanks Tony. I hope you will be able to put in the shop your new products and, of course, I undestand that it's not easy. As far as I'm concern, I think that peoples are waiting for a DCC ready solution with just plug and play batterys. And of course, they want that BOB train give the same accessories than DCC. In fact they want all immediatly and, of course, for nothing. But business doesn't works like that. I will try to help you to change the point of view of some french modellers. It's, for me, the way of futur without any doubt.

Best regards.
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Rich Archer

I sometimes take a long time to reply but I usually get there eventually.

Peter K wrote:
Try google chrome, albeit a translation into Google English instead.

Thanks Peter, I am now using Google Chrome. I had already downloaded it but never properly used it. It is better than Explorer, well it is since downloading Windows 10. Chrome will translate, it will also play videos at full screen which Explorer couldn't do properly in Win 10.
kit wrote:
Thanks for your comments. 
Yes Rich, the more we speak about, the more people will change their mind. In fact I do the Protocab promotion in two times :
…. …. A lot of insults and people who want to put my head on a pick …. …. ….

Excellent Kit, but that's odd that you should get insults. They can't be looking longterm.

A lot of folk I think are put off by the higher price of Protocab equipment but they are only looking short term. You can buy RC equipment at cheaper prices but what of the future of those systems? Plus, and it's a big plus for small scales, you have to sort out those lithium batteries yourself. I keep on trying to stress to other modellers who are thinking about RC battery power (or BOB), think of the future. Protocab has much more potential for greater things.
Protocab wrote:

There is no blower valve or injector, no water gauge or steam pressure gauge on my driving cab, but the Protocab system has been designed for us to be able to add these and many other 'fun' features with little difficulty ….

This is what I mean. For me, modelling involves continually trying to improve to model the real thing as closely as possible, so just switching on a model locomotive and turning a dial to get it moving is not the finished product, certainly not for a steamer. Even a diesel has more to it than that. I want to have to think about such things as water gauges and brake vacuums etc like Tony mentions. I want it so that my steam locomotives will not go anywhere unless some form of steaming up procedure has been performed, and if I don't do it right (for instance, press the coal shovelling sound often enough) the correct steam pressure will not be obtained, and if I over do it (coal shovelling sound too often and for too long a time) that pressure release valve will blow. Of course, not the whole 4 - 6 hours it would take the real thing, you have to make compromises. After all, one of the main reasons diesels took over from steam was because of that very process, you can't just get in a steamer, turn the key and off you go, but on model railways you can.

Keep up the good work Protocab
Rich

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Watch this space, Rich!
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